December 8, 2012

Illinois Game Recap


Welp, it had to happen eventually. Games like this are familiar and uncomfortable for so many reasons. For the first time all year, we couldn’t shoot ourselves out of a tough matchup. Once again, we failed to exploit our size advantage down low (we did OK the first ten minutes). For the first time all year, Harris seemed to disappear. Once again, a hot three point shooting team lit us up. For the first time all year, our turnovers really caught up to us, and we couldn’t counter that with our offensive rebounding advantage. Once again, a tweener type, 6’5” – 6’8,” who can shoot and attack off the dribble absolutely crushed us and we had no answers. Rough night, but enough of our team’s issues came to a head that it was, in some ways, inevitable.  

I’d be lying to you if I said that I saw this coming. I didn’t. While I was aware of Brandon Paul’s skillset, the deep stable of hot shooting guards, and the general talent at Illinois, I thought all of that would be negated by our size in the paint and our backcourt's ability to stay in front of shooters. For the first 15 minutes of the game, I felt vindicated. Olynyk and Harris were scoring at will. Karnowski played well. Illinois had no answer for our big men and Paul started creeping away from his man beyond the three point line to block shots from behind (an athletic play, but the kind of thing that can get you in trouble against a smart team). This game got away from us because we turned the ball over in the first half, went to a 3-2 zone occasionally (giving them their first easy buckets of the game and getting their offense in gear), and our backcourt missed a TON of open threes. That’s not exactly a formula for success.

Twelve turnovers in the first half! Illinois had 5 (I believe, I don’t feel like looking at the box score right now), but managed to score 20 points off of our turnovers. If you had told me pregame that we would have 12 turnovers and we went into halftime tied at 41… well, I would have said something like: “shit, that sounds crazy.” Illinois did a good job playing aggressive defense on our guards, but many of the turnovers were from lazy passing or bad hands by Karnowski, Olynyk, and Harris. They have to get better at catching the ball in traffic and kicking the ball out if the shot isn’t there.

Positives:

Olynyk kept us in the game for a stretch, shooting very well and generally being a productive player despite his turnover problems. He shot 7-9 from the field and was aggressive, which is nice. Gary Bell started out aggressive and went after his shot, which I absolutely loved. We need more of that from him. He fought his way into the lane and hit a couple tough floaters. That aggressiveness waned later on, but he was the only guard I was comfortable with shooting the ball all game. Harris was great early but he disappeared over the course of the game as the Zag backcourt failed to get him the ball consistently. When he had the ball, he did some good things, but the team didn’t scheme properly to get him involved. He’s a Wooden candidate people, this stuff isn’t that hard.

Negatives:

Allllll sorts of stuff here, but I’ll keep it brief. Pangos was awful. Probably should have been benched… just absolutely no flow to his game, not great on defense, and generally just off. Having Stockton on your bench allows you to bench your star guard if he isn’t playing well but Few thought otherwise, probably because Stockton’s late rotations led to 2-3 three pointers. Hmm… what else? Karnowski looked lost on D, but was very effective on offense. I think against a team like Illinois Few decided that Karnowski couldn’t chase a faster forward around, which is probably accurate. Brandon Paul had 35 (!) points against a variety of defenders, but definitely had his fair share of wide open shots. At some point, the coaching staff has to figure out how to shut someone down when they're going crazy like that. I don't know, double teams? Hard hedging after a ball screen to get the ball out of his hands? Something.

I put most of this loss on Coach Few, which seems like an easy cop out, but I think it’s pretty clear. Switching from man defense to a 3-2 zone gave Illinois 6 quick points (on an open 3 and a layup/foul shot) that absolutely put a dent in our early aggressive demeanor. For whatever reason, our scouting reports failed to pick up on the fact that the 3 point shot is the focal point of the Illini offense. Against a team like this, you should never go underneath a screen on the three point line, but every one of our guards did this at multiple points in the game. How does Few not make this a point of emphasis before the game? An open three point shot is the ideal result of an offensive possession for their team, meaning that guards should fight over or through screens, rather than give up the long distance shot. Inexcusable.

Rough night, but an opportunity for growth nonetheless. Hopefully, Coach Few uses this loss to hammer home more defensive principles and show that despite our high octane (usually) offense, we can’t shoot our way out of everything. There are plenty of teams that can shoot with us, but few who can hang with us in the post, and I’m sure all of those entry pass turnovers will be shown on repeat for the next few days. Tough loss! But early season losses can galvanize a team to fix weaknesses and evolve together. Let’s see if that happens. 

9 comments:

Matt said...

This loss is explained quite simply. Illinois is a good, athletic team that lives and dies on the three and flinging themselves into defenders while throwing up crap shots. GU is a VERY well balanced team but the back court is not scoring well and the Front court is carrying them the past few games.

The loss comes down to points off turnovers for Illinois and the back court going a combined 32% from the floor and 29% from behind the arc.

In small part, I think the not going with KD over Stockton and only giving Karnowski 9 minutes (in which he scored 9 points) played a role as well but this game came down to a TON of empty possessions for a GU team who was just better than Ill but was not hanging on to the ball enough to show it.

I heard MF say it came down to not being able to stop Paul. IMO that is a cop out, the kid scored 35, yes but the staff made no attempt at giving KD a shot to guard him. Could he stay in front of him, maybe not but he is long and could have pestered Paul a bunch more, plus he could have shown some of that slashing ability or 3pt shot we all know he has...but he played a grad total of 2 minutes.

Anyway, GU lost but I came away not that frustrated at all. I still would take this GU team over the likes of Ill all day, any day. If the guards can get scoring again, and the front court can continue to dominate.....and they take care of the ball....all things they totally can do....they are one of the best teams in the country.

quidveritas said...

Pangos got exposed big time in this game. His defense (once again) was far less than stellar. Until he figures out how to play D against a bigger guard, teams will be taking advantage of him all season long.

IMO Pangos did a poor job of distributing the ball and took shots early in a number of possessions that were ill advised (no chance of a rebound).

We lost because we failed to score in the paint. This is ironic because we scored a lot in the paint. Going seven minutes without a point when you can get two (or free throws) just about any time you want it, is a real problem. Bad PG play, bad team play, or bad coaching. Take your pick.

I get Illinois has some great defenders and the refs let them get away with murder a time or two. Just the same that does not mean you do not continue to challenge the defense (which we did in the second half with considerable success).

quidveritas said...

KD will see more and more court time if our current woes continue. KD needs to learn a bit more on the Defensive end before he challenges for a starting position.

50% chance KD pushes his way into the starting line up for the WCC Tournament. If we have an injury, make that 100%.

Matt said...

"We lost because we failed to score in the paint" I can't agree though we had success feeding the post, you can't just pound it inside every time, the guards have to keep teams honest by hitting shots. They did not.

Fact is, GU turned the ball over a ton and this lead to Ill shooting the ball 11 more times than GU. If you do the math with their FG% from 2 and from 3 coupled with the shot distribution between 2pt shots (57%) and 3pt shots (43%) you come up with 1.9 three pointers made or 5.94 points and 3.1 two pointers made or 6.27 points... totaling 12.2 points from those 11 additional shots. That is pretty much the game right there give or take a basket.

Should GU have continued to press their advantage in the paint? maybe but it would have been at the cost of a balanced attack and would not have worked. They needed to take care of the ball and replace of all those empty possessions for good shots. Obviously, the benefits of this are obvious.

Either way the guards (KP and GBJ) need to play better, hit shots and take care of the ball and KD needs more minutes and the leash loosened up a bit...IMO

kg said...

It's funny, because the early stages of the game looked so promising. We were getting the ball inside to KO, Harris and Karnowski and we were finishing pretty well. There was some nifty passing back and forth, and it looked like a formula that we could keep using.

Once Pangos and Bell starting missing shots more consistently, you could see the Illini guards sagging deeper into the paint and double teaming the ball as soon as it entered the post. That's the sort of thing that really shouldn't happen against a team like Gonzaga... with all of the shooters on the team, SOMEONE should be able to hit a three to keep them honest.

Combine that with the turnovers and the fast-break points/extra possessions Illinois got out of it... well, it's easy to see why we lost. I agree with Quid though, Dranginis will definitely see more time after that loss. Edi was terrible, Hart was mediocre, and once again the 3 spot burned us. I resisted the urge to check the Kentucky box score and see how Wiltjer did because I don't want to get upset, but he would have been perfect on this team. How much of college basketball is just looking back on those one or two recruits that slipped away?

quidveritas said...

My friends, it has been my experience that you ride a horse until the other team proves they can stop it.

I'm not say'in you never shoot an outside shot, but you need to take a good outside shot and . . . only after you make a good faith effort to get the ball inside. For long stretches our Zags settled for the outside shot ---- first ----

dunno if there was the mentality that "we can shoot it outside as good as they can" or what ever.

As far as pounding it inside all day long, it absolutely does work. Puts incredible foul pressure on the other team and . . . frankly is down right demoralizing.

JMO . . . but I know I'm right about this. A big guy can take over a game. Plus there are no long rebounds leading to fast break points. More opportunities for offensive rebounds close to the basket. Let the big dogs eat!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWucU4U69yI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RF_zRI1Y8I

Here's a game where the dominate big man misses half the game and still cleans house at the end -- also looks alot like the game we just lost but with a different outcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLkKaiTbpw

remember this nightmare?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHf2CPsglE


I can provide you will all kinds of examples like this.

Our big guys can provide this kind of a punch but you have to give them the ball!



Matt said...

Fact is Quid you would not be able to saying that if GBJ and KP do not go combined 6 for 20 AND 4 OF 14 from behind the arc....so your premise is based off them missing not the fact that they took the shots in the first place. And, because they kept missing Illinois was able to sag off and wind up with two or three jump balls on our bigs.

This loss comes down to possessions and shots. Illinois shot the ball 11 more times than GU..why? Turnovers, stupid fouls. Even with that, GU could win the game if their back court hit shots. Why cause it forces the defenders to stay at home and would open up the middle like it was in the first 10 mins of the game.

simply put, GU takes care of the ball and the guards shoot it a little better, GU wins by 8+

quidveritas said...

Can't argue with your scenario Wispi,

Guess I'd rather take them to the wood shed when that is an option.

St. Marys will give this game a very long hard look. Would not be surprised if they approach their games with us in a similar fashion.

I like our chances better pounding it inside, short rebounds and multiple shots on the offensive glass than hoping our perimeter shooting is on that night.

Tofty17 said...

Quid, clearly Zag_Whisperer is saying that "take them to the wood" doesn't work when the entire defense collapses in the paint. Obviously if we had 1 on 1 coverage the entire time with equal defensive spacing we could just pound it down but the reality is that Illinois was keying in on that and getting takeaways.