June 20, 2012

Sacre Stock Rising?


Sources have advised that Robert Sacre is now being projected as high as late 1st round and early 2nd round in the upcoming NBA Draft. Most of his recent workouts were with teams in the 26-37 pick range of the draft. Sacre himself mentioned to Tariq Sibiet of Northpolehoops.com that he thinks he will go in that range.


While news changes quickly regarding the draft, signs are all pointing to a very good day for Robert. We will keep you posted as we learn more.

10 comments:

batbird said...

I just want to state my opinion on the draft projection of Robert Sacre. He has some upsides like his defense and his ability to hit free throws, but I think his downsides are too many.

He will not be drafted and there are several reasons why, some he can do nothing about.

1. His arms are too short for his height. The short wingspan reduces his opportunity for touches.

2. His hands are small. He misses too many hard passes and he can't go up for the dunk with one hand. He can't catch one-handed often bobbling the pass and he has difficulty rebounding out of range (other than strait over his head).

3. He plays small. He brings the ball down to his waist, head-fakes, then goes up for the dunk. He spreads his legs when his back is to the rim and often puts the ball on the floor making him 6'5" instead of 7'0". He's been doing this since he was a freshman.

4. Half of his offense is at the free-throw line. I don't really know yet if this is a blessing or a curse. But, I don't think he will get as many opportunities at the NBA level.

5. He disappears sometimes. He'll play like an All-American for a few minutes, then for awhile you won't know he's on the floor until he fouls somebody.

Like I said, he is a strong defender and has the ability to come out and defend on the perimeter, but I don't think it will be enough of a plus to overcome his negatives.

Unknown said...

You make good points.

I too have noticed shortcomings. IMO, he can become better in the areas of hands, vertical, and rebounding, as well as offensively.

He has shown the ability to improve in some areas, such as rebounding, and on defense.

He can do nothing about his length but he can improve his offensive game where I feel he is still a bit raw. Having watched Sacre very closely in practice where he looks dominating, it is hard to wrap my mind around why he does not do better offensively in games. I have watched him hit 20 shots in a row out to 15 feet during scrims. These scrims consisted of current Zag players as well as past Zag stars. He still dominated.

In five on fives, he loooks like the most dominent player on the court, by far. Nobody can get around him, he rebounds well, has a soft floater out to 15 feet that is a thing of beauty. In live games we don't get to see it for some reason. It's not that he can't do it. He simply does not do it.

He has improved his propensity to bring the ball down, which was a huge weakness. I believe that is something he can get better at as well.

His vertical is lacking and his hands are not the best. But, there are exercises that can help with his vertical, as well as with ball control. He will never jump out of the gym, and he cannot make his hands larger, but he might be able to improve enough in those areas to where an NBA team will want to take a shot on him.

I think he will get drafted late 2nd round. He is still a 7 footer with some upside. Big bodies can be useful in practice on an NBA team as well.

Will he be a star? Perhaps not....But someone will be able to groom him and get the most out of his talents, although lacking in some areas, he still has qualitys that an NBA team, imo, will not pass up.

Matt said...

I can't get my mind around Sacre being drafted and Pargo, Bouldin as well as Downs not. Can't see it.

Unknown said...

Imo, Pargo was a bit smallish and couldn't hit the three. Bouldin was too slow. Downs was inconsistant.

Sacre has some limitations as well but.....He is a big dude. I do get worried about all the rah rah about his leadership and attitude but I think a team will want him around if nothing more than for the practice squad.

One thing is for sure, we will find out very soon.

Did all the watering of the bamboo help? Did he impress anyone enough to take a chance? Will he catch on as a free agent? As a Sacre fan, and Zag fan, I surely hope he gets drafted, but I hear what you are saying.

Matt said...

Pargo, smallish? He was 6'2" 220. That is not small, that is a NFL running back. He did not shoot the 3 well but that is not what kept him from being drafted. It was his high TO rate and inability to lead his team in crunch time. He was and is a very talented player and that is why he is in the NBA now....

Bouldin was an NBA talent but he disappeared in way too many games way too often. He had a good NBA body but was only slow on the defensive end....this is what got him cut...the offensive players blew by him in summer league.

Downs, IMO was one of the most gifted kids GU has ever had. He was as consistent as a yo yo is allowed to be...I will leave it at that....except to say it is difficult to be consistent in 30 second bursts of PT.

Rob has a 7 ft body and too often he played offense like he was 6'5". Can he be a good NBA back up...yeah maybe....should he be drafted...I guess we will see. I wish him luck!

Unknown said...

LOL, Matt...somehow I just knew you'd be along directly to spank me.

Aren't most NBA PGs taller than 6'2? During college Pargo was not anywhere near as good as he thought he was. His three point shot was terrible if I remember correctly. Maybe he should have been an NFL running back, lol. He has developed his three in Europe post GU though and has done very well overseas. Nice player but NBA caliber?

Bouldin...how can you be an NBA talent, yet be to slow? My point was that he is to slow. I can't count how many times he had his pocket picked...it was embarrasing. He will always be to ssssslow. That's why he is making $ in Europe and not in the real league.

I agree that lack of PT for Micah made it hard for him to get going. Few turned him into the yo-yo kid, but, if he was so talented, why is he playing sporadically in Europe? Something doesn't jive. He may be the least of the players we are discussing in having a shot in the NBA.

Now, hows that for taking the koolaid colored glasses off? lol

Sacre....I just cannot get out of my mind how good he looked in scrims against Ammo, Batista, Pargo, Turiaf, Calvery, and others I am forgetting. He can be groomed and his upside outweighs his limitations. We'll see.

Unknown said...

I almost forgot... I do know that Pargo is currently in the league. What he does with his opportunity and how long he stays, well, we'll see.

Good Luck Pargo!!~

Matt said...

According to Wikipedia: Most current NBA point guards are between 5'10" and 6'4" (1.93 m) in height. In 2011 the average height of point guards in the NBA was just over 6'1"

So Pargo taller than average NBA point Guards in the NBA. HA! :)

Downs the least??? oh man....*must bite tongue* :)maybe now yes....but he was very talented and had great length, explosive hops and a was a very good rangy defender.

Fact is AMMO is a much better player than Turiaf and he is working it just to get on a team meanwhile Ronny is playing for the world champs. My point is the NBA is a fickle friend and what it wants and needs varies from year to year...just look at Sullinger...dude is plummeting down the draft boards...but why? I will tell you..perception is 9/10th of the law when it comes to playing in the NBA. Pargo was perceived to not be able to run a team, Bouldin was seen as the slow white guy with good game but does not translate to NBA style....Downs was never afforded the opportunity to even be on the radar of pro scouts....

in fact I would submit to you that if Downs gets the Austin Daye treatment, he plays at least three years in the league.

Ahh spirited commenting and banter! Love it! Thanks Gaz!

Unknown said...

Matt,

So what yer sayin, in other words on Pargo is that he is BARELY above ave. The trend is leaning towards that 6'4 mark, nice try to skew the stats in yer favor tho! lol

Please stop bitin your tongue, makes it difficult to understand what you are sayin. Yes, Downs was all that and a bologna sandwich...in college. Or, he should have been, if not for being inadaquately used? But he is not making much of a splash even in Europe let alone the NBA....so did the coaches have it right? We can't just chalk it up to what the NBA needs from year to year in this case, otherwise he would have been a super star over in itchganistan and caught the eye of the league.

Ammo still can't play much D, can he? If he could he would be a star. Yet he is much better than Ronny? Now I'm biting my tongue. ;o)

Perhaps Daye was a gamble based on potential upside. I had my doubts on him....and now he seems to be going backwards w/ his career.

"AMMO is a much better player than Turiaf and he is working it just to get on a team meanwhile Ronny is playing for the world champs", that sword breaks both ways, couple of years ago you could have it reversed....so I just made your argument, lol.

You say "perception is 9/10th of the law in the NBA." If that is the case, potential draftees better start working on their mind control skills rather than actual skills.

Come on Matt, admit it...you're just upset because Sacre is going in the late 1st round!! (evil-grin)

Matt said...

So you are going to argue that Turiaf is better than AMMO? come on now.

Perception of what a player can do, rules the Draft. The vast majority of 1st rounders do just ok...only a few live up to the perception.

Maybe Rob has used his Jedi mind tricks..idk but..if not.. that dude is not going 1st round....I guess we will see if he even gets drafted.