January 9, 2013

Bracketology! Premature and all that, but still

I'm sure some of you have already noticed this, but both SI and ESPN have published Bracketology/Bracket Watch pieces in the past week or so. While these tournament predictions are often woefully inaccurate (especially when it comes to the middle/low seeds), the 1, 2, and 3 seeds are generally pretty similar to the stuff we see later on in the year. In recent years, Gonzaga has played such a rigorous non-conference schedule that they force themselves into the sports media conversation. Even when we lose a few of these games, we end up meriting mention because of our insane travel obligations or because we were the "good win" for lots of other teams (basically the "participant" badge in college basketball). Of course, this conversation ends up dropping off around January once the conference schedule gets started.

This year's team looks to be the deepest squad we've had in Spokane for several years now and without any truly elite teams (like Kentucky last year, or some of the recent Kansas/UNC teams) lurking in the tourney, we may have our best shot at a deep run this March. That said, once the conference schedule gets underway, expect other teams to start making noise/falling apart as they upset conference rivals or maybe lose a road game to a team they should beat.  The WCC is on the rise, as we now have 4 teams that can be considered "at least decent," even if BYU and SMC have had rocky starts to the season. I agree with Andy Glockner on SI when he said, essentially, that BYU, SMC, and Santa Clara are all better than their records indicate, but even so they still could use some big wins to shore up their resume. Hopefully the new "depth" in the WCC will be enough to keep us on the radar in the next couple of months. Kelly Olynyk's stellar play has gotten Seth Davis' attention (here), though those plaudits will probably decrease in the next couple months as the level of our competition dips. While I'm a little worried that we'll slip a few spots in the rankings (and maybe in the tourney seeding as well) due to the strength of our opponents, running the table would probably be enough to secure a high seed despite this built-in disadvantage.

ESPN's bracketology (link here) has us as a 2 seed playing in Salt Lake City (potentially playing against Kentucky as a 7 seed, which is a little unlucky bu-oh my God who cares this is a made up bracket). A 2 seed seems high until you realize that there probably aren't 8 teams that are better than we are right now.

SI's Bracket Watch (link here) has us as a 3 seed playing in San Jose. 3 feels a little more accurate, but if you look closely it seems like Glockner swapped us with Minnesota (a fair choice considering how hot they are right now). We'll see how they do during their conference slate.

To me, these two predictions are based on different but equally defensible assumptions. To Joe Lunardi at ESPN, Gonzaga has proven that they are a solid team so far and he thinks we will keep up our current level of play. For us to be a 2 seed, he must assume that we will run the table in the WCC and show up in March with 1 (or 2, if we are handed a "good loss" by Butler) losses. That's understandable, and something I probably agree with. To Glockner over at SI, we've been a solid team so far and all that jazz, but he (probably) assumes that we will lose a random game to a WCC opponent (not necessarily SMC, BYU, or Santa Clara). This has happened often enough in the past that it is perfectly reasonable to take it into account. Let's hope that the Zags play well enough to make the Tournament Committee's job a lot easier come March.

9 comments:

Matt said...

"I agree with Andy Glockner on SI when he said, essentially, that BYU, SMC, and Santa Clara are all better than their records indicate"

Why? Based off what data? In what way are they better than their records indicate?

kg said...

Well, Santa Clara led Duke in the second half at Duke, which is incredibly impressive, and they have two excellent players in Foster and Trasolini. If you can play that well against an elite opponent in their place you have some talent on your team. I don't think they have many chances left to prove they belong in the tourney, but I do think they trending upwards.

SMC has Dellavedova, and he terrifies me. I'm surprised at their early season stumbles, but most of this team was around last year and I don't think their talent disappeared with Rob Jones. Of the three teams mentioned, SMC is the one I'm basing most off of my gut. They haven't played great so far this season, but they have the talent to beat us, hence 'better than their record.'

BYU has three great players in Carlino, Davies, and Haws. Haws in particular will give us a lot of trouble. He's averaging 20 a game, and dropped 42 on V-tech. They only have one "bad" loss, and it was on the road at Iowa State. Baylor, Notre Dame, and FSU are all good teams who won't hurt their resume. The more time Haws gets to re-learn the offense after his mission, the better he'll get. This team will improve, making our late February road game a little scary.

Matt said...

Leading Duke at half time does not mean anything, and it certainly does not mean they are better than the loss indicates. they should have lost and they did. How does that make them better than what is shown? SCU has lost to Duke and GU, two teams it should have lost to and has one loss to Utah st that could go either way and a "bad loss" in OT to a UCSB team. They are and look just like a 12-4 team who has played both weak and tough competition.

SMC is nowhere near as good as their record would indicate as they have not played ANYONE.

Their best win was against 84 RPI Harvard, by one, at home (some would say with the help of the Zebras) They have only played 3 teams who even crack the top 100 RPI and gone 2-1 in those.
Kenpom has them ranked at 52 with their opponents offensive rank at 198 and opponents Defensive rank 308! with a non-con SOS of 257. that is pathetic and being 11-3 / 12-3 against that is even more so. They are worse than their record as they easily could have and should have lost to Harvard at home, have totally padded their offensive efficiency numbers by beating up on RPI teams in the 200 and 300's, all the while still ranking 175 in defensive efficiency. Your gut may tell you one thing but it certainly isn't based off reality.

BYU is a talented team, that can be dangerous. Are they better than their record? No way. They lost to good teams and that is what inferior teams do. they lose to better teams....and that is just what BYU has done this year. Also, I would not call Carlino great. Hawes has had some good games but he is playing over his head right now...though he does help make BYU much better than they would have been...and Davies is a beast. When BYU played them, Baylor was not too good and still gelling, FSU is not a good team, but ND is but again, they lost to a team they were suppose to lose to.

All three are pretenders to the throne with only SCU and BYU having a legit shot at bridesmaid to GU this year.

kg said...

Those are all fair points, I just think all 3 teams will improve during conference play. All 3 teams have lost to teams that they "should have," what I'm saying is that based on their talent levels (and yes, having a lead on the road at Duke is a big deal... it's an incredibly hostile environment and, based on their record/rpi, they should have been blown out from the start) I am surprised that they haven't pulled off a big win yet.

None of them are as good as Gonzaga, and would at best be fighting for at large bids. Glockner's point in the article (and mine) was basically that the talent level on these teams is higher than you'd think if you don't watch them play and just looked at their records.

quidveritas said...

Never discount the East Coast Bias when it comes to selection Sunday.

IF we run the table, we could get a #1 seed . . . but don't hold your breath.

A 3 seed would be fantastic.

A 4 seed realistic.

Unknown said...

I love all the way too early bracketology stuff.

For one, it's fun. Also because potential recruits read this. When we are bandied about from mid season on as anywhere from a 2 seed to a 10 seed.....they are reading. A good thing.

Matt said...

If you check the latest, GU has 5 wins over teams that are in...and could be 6 with win over Butler and 7 with win over BYU...even 8 wins if can beat BY twice....though not sure they get in to the dance if that happens.

Unknown said...

I'm coming up with:

Wins- Oklahoma, Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Davidson.

Loss- Illinios

Possible- Butler, BYU x two

Making 9 teams that we've played possibly in the Dance. So much for people saying we've had a soft schedule this year. If this were to hold....this year's dance looks like our personel playgroud!

* I'm going off of Lundardi's bracket...

kg said...

Gaz, I feel like we'll probably get a random conference loss in there, though I don't know when it'll come (BYU? SMC? USF?). We have the talent to go undefeated but we've struggled on the road the past couple years and I'm expecting one more loss to join Illinois on the list. That said, the Illinois loss was a "good" one, and we have solid wins over some good teams, so our seeding could be the highest its been since the Morrison years.